Do you believe in God?

[Criptex]

yeah... that's the point, if we are arguing about God or science, we have to understand that science goes along with the idea of a superior being, and like someone a few post before said... Einstain did good believing in God.

Life without God is empty, is not because man have the natural desire to believe in something, it's because the bible says that we are created to praise God, and the first human used to walk with God in the Eden and the was meant to praise him and live depending his whole life on him, but when Eva and him sinned, God close their spiritual eyes, but he left our spirit.
Also we're formed by 3 parts, body, spirit and soul, so just, think... can you see your spirit? or your soul? but is it real? the fact that you can see it, doesn't alter the reality.
So..............
Science and God, they get along well, Science is made by God, He's the supreme Scientist, Doctor, Architect, etc. etc. you can see it every day since the moment you open your eyes.

[ichwar]

Also we're formed by 3 parts, body, spirit and soul, so just, think... can you see your spirit? or your soul? but is it real? the fact that you can see it, doesn't alter the reality.
So..............
Science and God, they get along well, Science is made by God, He's the supreme Scientist, Doctor, Architect, etc. etc. you can see it every day since the moment you open your eyes.

Good point

[Cymro]

You know how many asteroids could break our planet into pieces... asteroids bigger than the earth itself... is not about our atmosphere... is about something bigger than us that takes care of our safety

Jupiter being a huge graivty well takes care of that aspect. You don't find many people worshipping it though.

We've got one God, you've got none. Your life sounds pretty hopeless to me.

Would you like it if a Hindu said to you "We've got 330,000 gods, you've got one. Your life sounds next to hopeless to me"? Probably not.

On a similar note, what would you do if a member of the Hindu, Shinto, Bahá'i, Sikh, Ásatrú or Taoist religions tried to convert you to his religion, and claimed that his was the truth and also said that you had no way of disproving it?

[ichwar]

Jupiter being a huge graivty well takes care of that aspect. You don't find many people worshipping it though.

Would you like it if a Hindu said to you "We've got 330,000 gods, you've got one. Your life sounds next to hopeless to me"? Probably not.

330,000 gods, sounds about as hopeless as no gods to me.

[/quote]On a similar note, what would you do if a member of the Hindu, Shinto, Bahá'i, Sikh, Ásatrú or Taoist religions tried to convert you to his religion, and claimed that his was the truth and also said that you had no way of disproving it?[/quote]

I would promptly tell him that I did have a way to disprove it.

[truthguild]

Don't get my wrong, the bible supports my faith, is just that I'm not a machine to remember all the verses in the bible, but I remember this one... we do not live for actions, but for faith. let me research a little bit and I'll tell you the exact verse.

no point in the bible ever claims the light of the first day is light given off by god. if it did, then you would have to accept that he only gives off light about half the time. the claim that the light spoken of in genesis prior to the sun is god is nothing more than an excuse imagined up by an apologist to try to explain away a biblical inconsistancy.

And now I know what are you talking about!! and even though satan was an angel,he was never a god, he got kick out of heaven for believing that.

the bible doesn't claim satan was an angel - that's dogma that came up in the early days of christianity. biblical scholars debate as to whether satan is Baal or Beelzebub. in either case, Baal is a god of the Babylonian pantheon, while Beelzebub is a bastardizattion of Ba'al ZeBul (the Lord on High). both were gods. the bible even refers to satan as the god of this world.

And since he was expeled from heaven, he is not a celestial creature anymore, so now he's the one who represents all evil, not because he has born with it, but because he made it his property. Now the bible says that he has a place designed specificltly for him, call hell.
And he knows the bible very, very well, so he also knows that God gave him the power to try make people sin, and to cover their eyes with the veil of knowledge, all this, in order to take people to a place that wasn't meant for them. so I don't think he's a god.

that level of power would define him as a god.

First of all, because satanists, don't believe in the existence in any god, instead they believe that they are their own gods, and they see satan as a supreme authority, but not a god, and if you have questions about it, try to read in wikipedia articles about the satanist bible. I used to do it, but God saved me from my twisted road.

this is fairly accurate, except 1 point - they don't see satan as an entity at all, but as symbolic of the id. they take satan from the hebrew Ha'Satan, which simply means "opposer".

[Criptex]

Jupiter being a huge graivty well takes care of that aspect. You don't find many people worshipping it though

Ok, I think this is because jupiter didn't give his son so the world could have a hope of salvation, and jupiter did not create you?

Would you like it if a Hindu said to you "We've got 330,000 gods, you've got one. Your life sounds next to hopeless to me"?.

Is not about the number of gods, is about how empty is your life with the one that you have, or if you don't have any, and you are talking about hindues right?

"God is, even though the whole world deny him. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained."
Mohandas Gandhi

On a similar note, what would you do if a member of the Hindu, Shinto, Bahá'i, Sikh, Ásatrú or Taoist religions tried to convert you to his religion, and claimed that his was the truth and also said that you had no way of disproving it?

The bible specifies do not make image of anything else that is in earth or below it... any other "god" created by human minds is consider as idolatry.

[gali98]

Okay. I'm going to throw in my two cents here. First Let me say that I do believe in God. I believe his name is Jesus, and that he is the only God. All others are simply beings created from the minds of men. I figure that will give you a considerable guess at my views. This is a bit long, I apologize.


First on the subject of the separation of Light and Darkness: He was not talking about Light as in physical light as we see it, but light in the sense of separating goodness from evil.

On the subject of Satan:
The bible does not specifically call Satan an angel, but gives many clues alluding to the fact.

Passage Revelation 12:9:
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels[his demons] were cast out with him.

There are others also (In Job 1 and 2 that allude to this fact.)
That being said, Satan IS NOT a God when classifying a god as an omnipotent or omnipresent being.
A quick aside:
Anything can be a "god" to a person. Satan can be a "god." Football can be a "god." Sex can be a "god." Obama can be a "god." But those gods are not The God (Jesus) and have no power over him. That is not to say that Satan does not have power - he does - and the bible is clear about that. But it is just as clear that his power is weak compared to God.
Here are several points:
Satan was created - God has always existed
Satan is not omnipotent (all powerful) - God is
Satan is not omnipresent (able to be all places at once) - God is
Satan is not omniscient (all knowing)- God is
Satan is not sovereign - God is.
Satan is given power over sinners because of their sin, but a sinner is forgiven by God (at any point - it is their choice to ask) and his sins are forgiven and clean when he asks. At baptism, his sins are "washed" away. and then, this former sinner can receive the Holy Ghost - God's spirit living inside a person. (This is not another God, but a manifestation of The God Jesus)
With God's spirit living inside of a person, sin nor satan has power over that person. He can tempt, but he has no power over his actions.
So maybe not so quick.. Moving on:

I'm seeing in a lot of places in this discussion about science. People seem to think that Science trumps religion because Science is fact, while religion is based on emotions and things like that. I'm afraid that is just not the truth. Science is a religion. True, scientists (though not all) try to base all knowledge on fact, but the fact is that we know so little about our Universe. I believe in a God who has been proven many times. You believe in system of observation and hypothesis-making that tries to explain what we see. You want proof that God exists, and you will not find solid proof. As long as you are trying to find specific proof and will not believe until that point, you will not be able to prove God exists. You have to believe. You have to have faith.
However, with that being said, Science has not in one case, ever proven that God DOES NOT exist. You like to quote your theories and such, but for everyone there has been experiments which disprove those theories. Why don't most people hear about these theories? It goes back to science being a religion. Those who do not support the major anti-creationist theories are shut up quickly and put on the back burner.

A case-in-point example (though not really anti-creationist) is the idea of global warming. Folks, it has been proven many times that we are simply in a cycle of fluctuating temperatures. The rise in global temperatures is simply part of this cycle. The human creation of carbon emissions, while maybe increasing the temperatures a slight bit (unnoticeable) do not have anything to do with this cycle. It is "fact." Yet many people in this nation (America) believe that we as humans are horribly destroying our environment with greenhouse gases. Al Gore gets the Noble Peace Prize for his involvement with the movement, and it is a proven fake. Proven with "science." And yet America is indoctrinated by the media, the children in schools that science is king. And they put accept what they want, and throw out the rest, fact or not.

The sad truth is that it does not take a really bright person to see this. People do not want to be wrong, so they invent a way of passing the blame.


I believe in God because of what he has done in my life. I have felt him. I have seen his effect on my life, and others. I have heard his voice, felt his direction. I am happy. I do not understand many things about God. I do not understand most things about him. But I know this: He loves me. More than anyone else loves me. He loves you. He loves everyone. When all my friends leave me, and the world seems to be crashing down around me, and there seems no way out, My God is there with me - there for me. He won't leave me.

Let me put a question out to all you who say you do not believe. Who will be there for you?

Kory

[Criptex]

no point in the bible ever claims the light of the first day is light given off by god. if it did, then you would have to accept that he only gives off light about half the time. the claim that the light spoken of in genesis prior to the sun is god is nothing more than an excuse imagined up by an apologist to try to explain away a biblical inconsistancy.

The bible doesn't specifies wheter that light is from God or not, because it is self explanatory... If there was nothing more than water, land, darkness and the Spirit of God, it is common sense that the light came out of the spirit of God, and the bible supports the fact that the Spirit of God, in one of it's forms, can produce light.
Exodus 34 29-35 explains a little bit the magnitude of the light that God, iradiates.

the bible doesn't claim satan was an angel - that's dogma that came up in the early days of christianity. biblical scholars debate as to whether satan is Baal or Beelzebub. in either case, Baal is a god of the Babylonian pantheon, while Beelzebub is a bastardizattion of Ba'al ZeBul (the Lord on High). both were gods. the bible even refers to satan as the god of this world.
that level of power would define him as a god.
this is fairly accurate, except 1 point - they don't see satan as an entity at all, but as symbolic of the id. they take satan from the hebrew Ha'Satan, which simply means "opposer".

Yes, Lucifer, was the angel of the morning star, he was abobe the arcangels, and the angels, but he was an angel.
When he tries to compare himself to God, then God knows that there's evil in him,
This is because the bible in many locations specifies that there's only 1 God, that's the ultimate commendment; Love your Lor God with everything you have. not your gods, not nobody, Your God.
And when the bible refers at the king of this world, is because Satan has permission to manipulate some of the things that happen in this world. and Jesus said that his kingdom was not of this world, because his kingdom is the kingdom of the heavens, and according to the bible we are not from this world neither. because as a son of God, everything the world can offer is trash compared with the salvation.

[truthguild]

Yes i belive GOD is present
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Its not the matter of belief or disbelief boy, science has accepted that god is present.

science cannot, and therefore does not, make any comment regarding the supernatural.

Truth has no need to prove itself.

let's test this idea. i flew to chicago today. not in an aircraft of any sort, i just flew like superman. this is true and thus i don't need to prove it. sounds pretty absurd if you ask me if someone came to me with that claim, my immediate response would be to ask for evidence.
the only way we have to identify truth is with objective evidence. you can't know something is true any other way.

Hey men ur from which country?
Every religion has proofs of their god. No one can deny the fact that a divine power is governing us all.
Start believing in urself u will believe in GOD.

then show me the evidence of this divine power that is governing us.

[Criptex]

I believe in God because of what he has done in my life. I have felt him. I have seen his effect on my life, and others. I have heard his voice, felt his direction. I am happy. I do not understand many things about God. I do not understand most things about him. But I know this: He loves me. More than anyone else loves me. He loves you. He loves everyone. When all my friends leave me, and the world seems to be crashing down around me, and there seems no way out, My God is there with me - there for me. He won't leave me.

Let me put a question out to all you who say you do not believe. Who will be there for you?

Exactly, God doesn't need human evidence to be God, He gives you hope when you don't have any, He stays with you even if everybody abandons you. He fills your life, and you can feel His love. and once you meet him, there's no way you can deny Him.