Do you believe in God?

[truthguild]

Let me go back a few posts here:


Actually, the Hebrew word that is used as day here is a literal 24 hour day. So, you really can't try and squeeze 9.2 billion years into 24 hours.

thus the objective evidence and bible disagree. this isn't a good case for the bible.

As you said, there is no sun yet, so the only light that there was came from God. The only difference between night and day at that time was from the light that came from God, not the sun's light.

and here begin the logical fallacies. argument ad hoc. any evidence to support this claim that god exists and gives off light - but only at certain times?

What on earth does a firmament have to do with a crystal dome?
To prefent confusion, let me give you the dictionary definition of a firmament: The region of the air; the sky or heavens.
I just don't see how you can equate that with a crystal dome.

Firmament

from the Vulgate firmamentum, which is used as the translation of the Hebrew _raki'a_. This word means simply "expansion." It denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us. They who rendered _raki'a_ by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. The language of Scripture is not scientific but popular, and hence we read of the sun rising and setting, and also here the use of this particular word. It is plain that it was used to denote solidity as well as expansion. It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Gen. 1:7). The _raki'a_ supported the upper reservoir (Ps. 148:4). It was the support also of the heavenly bodies (Gen. 1:14), and is spoken of as having "windows" and "doors" (Gen. 7:11; Isa. 24:18; Mal. 3:10) through which the rain and snow might descend.

What you claim to right is sheer speculation. How do you know the order of life developed on earth? You don't. Animals could never of survived with out plants. In the fossil record, we find from the very beginning, animals that lived entirely upon plants. Take for example the fossilized bee hive that was found recently. It supposedly dates back to the period before plants were ever created, but, how do bees live without plants? Answer me that one.

the fossil record and the genetic record give rather clear indications of the order that life developed. you're also misrepresenting my argument, as i specified [/i]land[/i] plants come after marine life. regarding the fossilized bee hive - source please?

And, the assumption that is used to date stars is the speed of light. When a star is assigned an age, scientist, first find the distance of the star from the earth, then multiply that by the current speed of light. But there is an assumption that they are making when they do that. They assume that the speed of light has remained constant, a group of scientists, I forget their names, but I'll look it up if you want, recently found some good evidence to show that it is possible that the speed of light has been slowing down over time and infact, following the pattern that they observed, would of gone into infinity, (reached an infinite speed) about 6000 years ago, which is the time we also believe the eath was created.

wrong, speed of light is used to determine the distance of a star, along with other methods to independantly cross-confirm that distance. the main method for determining age is composition.
and yes, i would love to see that research, since last time i checked, no evidence existed for c-decay. if c-decay is true, however, it provides a much bigger problem for a young universe than it could ever solve.

Also, why couldn't God of set all the light in place, so that we would receive the light from the stars from the very first day, instead of having to wait 2 million light years to be able to see their light?

because 1) it is an ad hoc argument
2) no evidence suggests it
3) it would mean your god is a liar

Oh ya? Really? Who says? Where are the intermediate fossil links between birds and whales and land animals?

such as Archaeopteryx lithographica and Ambulocetus natans?

Again, you're basing this all on speculations, NOT fact.

only if by "speculation" you mean multiple lines of objective evidence that converge and cross-confirm each other

So, I fail to see what point you are making here...

quite simply, that genesis does not provide any evidence for the existance of a god.

[Criptex]

and here begin the logical fallacies. argument ad hoc. any evidence to support this claim that god exists and gives off light - but only at certain times?

Well, this light that we are talking is the Holy spirit itself. then he stopped dwelling in the earth and was only given to chosen people... then He reappears in the resurecction of Christ. but is not that at certain times He gives off light and then disappears.

[truthguild]

Well, this light that we are talking is the Holy spirit itself. then he stopped dwelling in the earth and was only given to chosen people... then He reappears in the resurecction of Christ. but is not that at certain times He gives off light and then disappears.

and thus enters into the conversation the second of the 4 christian gods.
the bible speaks of this first day, and there be light called day and dark called night. if this light is, as you claim, the holy spirit, then you are claiming he only provides light at certain times (day) but not at others (night). and again, i'll ask - is there any evidence to support this claim?

[Criptex]

and thus enters into the conversation the second of the 4 christian gods.
the bible speaks of this first day, and there be light called day and dark called night. if this light is, as you claim, the holy spirit, then you are claiming he only provides light at certain times (day) but not at others (night). and again, i'll ask - is there any evidence to support this claim?

Well, I'll have to say that my faith is the only evidence I have, I can't give you evidence, no one can, it's impossible, a fact like that... there's no way you can prove it, the only think that can support your belief is your faith. But for me, that's the truth.
And man, I'm really curious about those 4 gods... if is not too much to ask... can you explain that to me... because I only belive in the one I know.

[truthguild]

Well, I'll have to say that my faith is the only evidence I have, I can't give you evidence, no one can, it's impossible, a fact like that... there's no way you can prove it, the only think that can support your belief is your faith. But for me, that's the truth.
And man, I'm really curious about those 4 gods... if is not too much to ask... can you explain that to me... because I only belive in the one I know.

but that line of faith isn't even supported by the biblical account, it's nothing more than a speculation of an apologist.
on the other note, christianity believes in 4 gods - Yahweh (also written as YHWH, Jehova, and others), Jesus, the Holy Spirit (who is otherwise unnamed), and Satan (who is also unnamed, though various biblical scholars speculate eith Ba'al or Beelzebub).

[Criptex]

Don't get my wrong, the bible supports my faith, is just that I'm not a machine to remember all the verses in the bible, but I remember this one... we do not live for actions, but for faith. let me research a little bit and I'll tell you the exact verse.
And now I know what are you talking about!! and even though satan was an angel,he was never a god, he got kick out of heaven for believing that.
And since he was expeled from heaven, he is not a celestial creature anymore, so now he's the one who represents all evil, not because he has born with it, but because he made it his property. Now the bible says that he has a place designed specificltly for him, call hell.
And he knows the bible very, very well, so he also knows that God gave him the power to try make people sin, and to cover their eyes with the veil of knowledge, all this, in order to take people to a place that wasn't meant for them. so I don't think he's a god.
First of all, because satanists, don't believe in the existence in any god, instead they believe that they are their own gods, and they see satan as a supreme authority, but not a god, and if you have questions about it, try to read in wikipedia articles about the satanist bible. I used to do it, but God saved me from my twisted road.

[ghotel]

Like i say, Prove hes real, No offence but at the end of the day religion or not there is no proof he ever existed. Sorry mate but i dont.

[brayden13]

I do not believe in God. i do not believe there is any evidence of him/her/it. Science can explain how the universe got created and all sorts of things that religion has yet to have gotten any support for yet.

[ichwar]

christianity believes in 4 gods - Yahweh (also written as YHWH, Jehova, and others), Jesus, the Holy Spirit (who is otherwise unnamed), and Satan (who is also unnamed, though various biblical scholars speculate eith Ba'al or Beelzebub).

Wrong, Christianity has 1 God. Yahweh, Jehova, are names for the same God.
God has three parts: God the Father: Yahweh/Jehova, God the Son: Jesus, God the Holy Spirit: the Holy Spirit. These are one and the same person. Known as the Trinity.

Satan is NOT a God. Where in the Bible does it ever say that the devil is God?

We've got one God, you've got none. Your life sounds pretty hopeless to me.

[techfun]

Yes i belive GOD is present
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I do not believe in God. i do not believe there is any evidence of him/her/it. Science can explain how the universe got created and all sorts of things that religion has yet to have gotten any support for yet.

Its not the matter of belief or disbelief boy, science has accepted that god is present.Truth has no need to prove itself.
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Like i say, Prove hes real, No offence but at the end of the day religion or not there is no proof he ever existed. Sorry mate but i dont.

Hey men ur from which country?
Every religion has proofs of their god. No one can deny the fact that a divine power is governing us all.
Start believing in urself u will believe in GOD.