Do you believe in God?

[jaint]

"I have tasted of His goodness"
that sounded wrong lol

[theexefiles]

I don't believe in any God, and I haven't for most of my life, and to be honest I can't really see science progressing far enough to prove indefinitely one way or another in my life time (and i'm only 16!). I find some aspects of religion(s) fascinating, such as the gods in Norse mythology, but I cannot really convince myself that they or any God actually exists. It would be great if I could believe, just to have the comfort of "knowing" I will go to a better place when I die, and that if stuff goes wrong then I could just tell myself its part of a bigger plan, but to be honest I doubt that we are all pawns in a big, divine game.

I wonder that in hundreds or thousands of years time, people will look back at the faded remnants of our belief in the current gods of different religions and if they will be taught not as fact, but as how the world used to be like and how people used to think. I also think that over time more and more people will stop believing in a god or gods and declare themselves as agnostic or atheist and churches and other religious buildings will lose less power in society.

One thing that annoys me about religious preachers is the way they try and convince people to join their religion by threatening them with the prospect of hell or eternal suffering because they have not opened their arms to god. Another thing that annoys me is when people claim atheists have no morals. I really do not get that argument, to me, if someone has morals it means they do good because they want to or know that its the best thing to do, not because they're afraid of doing bad incase they get damned to hell.

[ejweb]

YES; I not only believe in the ONE True God but follow His Laws and examples. Remember that those who believe in evolution and not God keep in mind the theory of cause-and-effect. The bang-theory doesn't hold up because what caused it? What set it in mostion? Did it just "start"? If so; then God is the only answer. I don't rely on scientific explanations because of too many holes and justifications. They try to justify their answers to their theories for a conclusion. It's amazing of how many scientists disagree with each other on the same topic.

Of course, believing in God comes with what each one of us have to have; faith. If you don't have faith then it is understandable you don't believe in God. Ask yourself; do you believe in the evil nature of people? Do you believe in a demonic or evil world (EPH 2:2)? If you do, then you also believe in God, but don't realize it. Even the demonic world believes in the one, true God and there were a lot of "gods" around especially over the last couple of thousand years (JAMES 1:13-15, ROM 16:1-2)...

[noerrorsfound]

YES; I not only believe in the ONE True God but follow His Laws and examples. Remember that those who believe in evolution and not God keep in mind the theory of cause-and-effect. The bang-theory doesn't hold up because what caused it? What set it in mostion? Did it just "start"? If so; then God is the only answer. I don't rely on scientific explanations because of too many holes and justifications. They try to justify their answers to their theories for a conclusion. It's amazing of how many scientists disagree with each other on the same topic.

You've got to be kidding. You criticize scientists for disagreeing with each other and ignore the fact that multiple religions exist, with different stories of creation and everything else, and different Gods or different amounts of Gods. You also act like evidence is a bad thing. We've got no solid proof, so that's all we've got. It's certainly better to support your beliefs with scientific evidence than to support them with a single religious book, of which there are many.

The questions you ask about the big bang are the same questions I ask about your God's existence.

Of course, believing in God comes with what each one of us have to have; faith. If you don't have faith then it is understandable you don't believe in God. Ask yourself; do you believe in the evil nature of people? Do you believe in a demonic or evil world (EPH 2:2)? If you do, then you also believe in God, but don't realize it. Even the demonic world believes in the one, true God and there were a lot of "gods" around especially over the last couple of thousand years (JAMES 1:13-15, ROM 16:1-2)...

Where do I get this "faith" you speak of? I've grown out of religion, and the only reason I ever believed in God is the same reason I believed in Santa Claus: people said he existed, and I was just a kid, so I believed them. Faith seems impossible to achieve for an actual atheist. What causes you to get it? I need proof of God's existence to have "faith" he exists, and then it wouldn't be faith. I don't know what the term for that kind of reasoning is but I wish I did. I've never seen someone actually describe how to obtain faith; I've just seen them say it's something one needs to have.

Considering I have no idea what you mean by a demonic or evil world, I don't believe in it. I suppose I believe in the "evil" nature of people if you mean their tendency to do bad things, but your conclusion is unsupported. People do bad things for many reasons (including because they think their God wants them to). However, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion you did. I believe people are not always nice and don't always do the right thing, so I believe in a God? That's just crazy. And why would I have a subconscious belief that God is real? What would have put that into my head (I doubt that is naturally wired into our brains)? Simply due to the lack of proof I've got no reason to believe such a thing, so why would I subconsciously be convinced otherwise? Please help me out here, since I'm not good with psychology crap.

Another question I have about faith, is does your God punish people for having the wrong faith? Religious people usually don't choose their religion, but instead believe what their parents believe, or what most people around them believe. What if I grew up being taught about the Greek gods, and I died having faith in them? The Christian Bible says, "You shall have no other gods before me," so would I be punished?

[agroup]

I Belive In GoD. According To Our Religion.
Just want to share my comment

[Soki]

Hello Criptex
Yes, I do believe that God exists. We see evidence all around us for that. His handiwork is evident throughout creation. The more I study it, the more impossible it appears for it to all have evolved from random chance.

Evidence...*looks around* Nope. Nothing here either...

no. i have never seen any evidence for any god ever. being the skeptical person that i am, i employ the null hypothesis to any positive claim i'm exposed to - if the evidence shows the null is wrong, then i adjust my view accordingly. on the issue of god, so far it hasn't.

I agree with you 100%, truthguild.

you know... truthguild... you have a very acceptable point of view... but as you can see... the evidence that science provide to explain the the biggest mysteries in the world, is always changing, and is always a hypothesis..., they have to make experiments that cost millions of dollars, and once in each century... a brilliant mind discovers a principle, or a law, that God clearly specifies in a little book... with only 66 mini books contained in a collection called bible... just a little example:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
you know... if you read from verse 1 to 31... you'll notice that a book with more than 1,000 years of age... is clearly explaining the expansion of the universe.. the change of athmosphere... the natural distribution of water and land that happened millions of years ago.. it also explains a order in which each specie of animal appeared in the earth and it also makes a reference about extintion.. when the author of the genesis... said:
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
This means that God didn't passed to the other day until he saw that everything was perfect... and that includes the extintion of some animals that were a hazard for the human specie... because is common sense that we cannot live in a world with huge creatures trying to eat us.
But here's what's amazing about this... we took almost 200,000 years (age of first evidence of modern humans in africa) to realize that there was a big bang in the universe that created the earth from the pieces of a bigger planet... and that the earth once was covered in water... like the bible says... that we have material that is similar to the chemical composition of the ground... that there were animals that lived millions of years ago...
and there are many more evidence to write... but to be honest... when God decides that your eyes are gonna be open... you can't do nothing about it.. I'm a living evidence of that... I was a sceptic person... but now I can see God in everything I see, everywhere I go...and for me He's more real than us.

"It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense, it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure"
-Albert Einstein

First of all your quote from Albert Einstein has nothing to deal with GOD existing or not...
Either you don't understand the qoute or you copied & pasted the wrong one.
Anyways, I'd love to see this 1,000 aged Bible you speak of.

"everything was perfect..."
Nothing/nobody is perfect.

"in a little book..."
That thing is not little at all.
It can be used as a weapon...

"He's more real than us"
Funny, I thought there was only Real an FAke..
It seems like you just created "Realer"...

The Bible was created by a man named Jesus (heh-soos) who wrote novels and of the such.
Well, one day a friend of his saw this book and thought of all the riches he could make with it as many loved these novels.
So, he killed his friend and took claim that he wrote this book.
The next day the publisher read it and just knew it had to have been Jesus' work.
So, the publisher made a few changes in the book to make sure Jesus was recognized for his work.
As time went on, many found out of this horrible crime that happened and Jesus' friend, Satan (sah-tahn), was sent to jail.
He escaped and was found weeks later.
They decided to pubish him by leaving Satan to starve outside on a couple of logs tied up.
Well, a friend of his snuck in to help release Satan.
The next day, everyone was shocked to see Satan walking along the streets unharmed and not starving.
Gossip pread throughout the towns.
A man decided to collect these stories he heard and write them in a book (The Bible).
With everyone misunderstanding the story, by the time it reached him, his version of what really happened was all wrong and of the such.
So, with all the different stories heard, people tried fixing it up by creating their own versions.
Until finally many got fed up and declared a meeting to create one "true" Bible and put their names in different sections/chapters/w.e.
See how much more believable my made-up story of the bible is?

"but now I can see God in everything I see, everywhere I go..."
Doesn't it get a bit awkward when your taking a dump?
How about when you are trying to watch a movie?
I'd hate to see him in front of my TV all day everyday and not be able to watch anything...

I hear all this junk about God's love be cost free, but you need a Bible to get to it...his Bible is not free...
It costs nearly as much as 1 subscription to Playboy.

"and that includes the extintion of some animals that were a hazard for the human specie... because is common sense that we cannot live in a world with huge creatures trying to eat us."

Care to explain a shark?
How about how we are eating other things?
Thought he cared about all his creatures...

"when God decides that your eyes are gonna be open... you can't do nothing about it.."
I can could close them or go play some video games...

[nuno_18]

yah... very nice story.....

i belive sometimes in god.... sometimes God does not believe in us....

[truthguild]

YES; I not only believe in the ONE True God but follow His Laws and examples.

which particualr god are you claiming it is, and what evidence do you have for those claims?

Remember that those who believe in evolution and not God keep in mind the theory of cause-and-effect. The bang-theory

the big bang theory is not related to the theory of evolution

doesn't hold up because what caused it? What set it in mostion? Did it just "start"?

intellectual honesty would require that we admit we don't know. not knowing something, however, is not evidence of the supernatural.

If so; then God is the only answer.

that's a logical fallacy. to insert any answer, evidence to support it must be provided (i could just as easily argue that the Great Green Arkleseizure sneezing the universe into existence is the only answer)

I don't rely on scientific explanations because of too many holes and justifications.

gaps in human understanding are to be expected, we actually wait until we have evidence before we try positting answers.

They try to justify their answers to their theories for a conclusion.

they justify their answers with evidence.

It's amazing of how many scientists disagree with each other on the same topic.

and if you look at the disagreements, they are usually minor aspects of major priciples. biologists don't argue about whether evolution did or does occur - but over exactly what roles were played to what degrees by which mechanics. geologists don't argue between the ideas of a 6,000 year old earth vs. a 4.5 billion year old earth but a 4.54 billion year old earth vs. a 4.56 billion year old earth (values that are within 1% of each other).

Of course, believing in God comes with what each one of us have to have; faith.

there is no benefit to faith - it's just an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If you don't have faith then it is understandable you don't believe in God. Ask yourself; do you believe in the evil nature of people?

no. human nature contains both what could be considered good and what could be considered evil.

Do you believe in a demonic or evil world (EPH 2:2)?

no, as i have never seen any evidence of demons

If you do, then you also believe in God, but don't realize it. Even the demonic world believes in the one, true God and there were a lot of "gods" around especially over the last couple of thousand years (JAMES 1:13-15, ROM 16:1-2)...

now that you added another assertion - you'll need to not only provide evidence for your god, but also for demons. as you point out, there were a lot of other gods - is there any evidence by which you can support your claim for god that can't support other gods?

[Soki]

@Truthguild:
I love how easy it is to show the flaws in all these "GOD is real" replies...
hehe.

http://forums.x10hosting.com/crossfi...tml#post523609

[Parsa44]

I believe in god incase god does really exist?

My view on this is the "gain" "gain" situation.

Of you say you believe in god you don't loose anything? And atleast if god does REALLY exist then "it" has no reason to punish you.

If god doesnt exist where did the universe start?
(dont you dare say big bang because the material to "bang" had to come from somwhere in the first place)