Windows Vista: The Ow starts now.

[Trixter]

ROFL

That’s not entierly true micro iv done over 40 upgrade installs and not a problem on one of em.... well nothing that isn't just bad planning on Vistas side.

Vista requires atleast 1gig of ram to run correctly more if your running it with the areo system enabled. Its also built to ask for the administrator password every time you make even the slightest change ( alittle something thay stole/borrowed from linux but atleast in linux you can disable it) thay call it a security feature.

Heres a little something mose people iv talked to dont know,its called the five point rule, microsoft alowes you to change upto five points of hardware , with each peice of hardware having a point value if i remember correctly your MB has a point value of between 2-4 depending on what it has onboard, if you exceed the five points you have to buy a whole new OS from Microsoft!! At FULL price!!! this means if your building is struck by lightning or a power surge and fries your computer (or even certian componints in your computer) you have to not only buy new hardware but new software as well!!!! all this is NOT even mentioning the Machine ID code they wright to a chip on your MB that is checked every time Vista is installed/reinstalled Its “Job” is to record (A)The current Hardware installed in your machine and (B) how many times youve installed Vista on that machine. After a certian number of Installs/Reinstalls it requires you to buy a new product code from Microsoft this is kinda like the verification on XP(which you have to do on Vista aswell) but it now uses the hardware as well as the software key online.

So what do i say to all the people buying and installing Vista? Knock yourself out. Ill install the sucker for you but as for me? Ill be giving it a complete skip. XP was intrusive and constraning enough for my taste. Im currently migrating to mac and linux, something which i see more and more of the tech people who went for longhorn/vista training and were involved in beta testing are doing.

[Brandon]

ROFL

That’s not entierly true micro iv done over 40 upgrade installs and not a problem on one of em.... well nothing that isn't just bad planning on Vistas side.

Vista requires atleast 1gig of ram to run correctly more if your running it with the areo system enabled. Its also built to ask for the administrator password every time you make even the slightest change ( alittle something thay stole/borrowed from linux but atleast in linux you can disable it) thay call it a security feature.

Heres a little something mose people iv talked to dont know,its called the five point rule, microsoft alowes you to change upto five points of hardware , with each peice of hardware having a point value if i remember correctly your MB has a point value of between 2-4 depending on what it has onboard, if you exceed the five points you have to buy a whole new OS from Microsoft!! At FULL price!!! this means if your building is struck by lightning or a power surge and fries your computer (or even certian componints in your computer) you have to not only buy new hardware but new software as well!!!! all this is NOT even mentioning the Machine ID code they wright to a chip on your MB that is checked every time Vista is installed/reinstalled Its “Job” is to record (A)The current Hardware installed in your machine and (B) how many times youve installed Vista on that machine. After a certian number of Installs/Reinstalls it requires you to buy a new product code from Microsoft this is kinda like the verification on XP(which you have to do on Vista aswell) but it now uses the hardware as well as the software key online.

So what do i say to all the people buying and installing Vista? Knock yourself out. Ill install the sucker for you but as for me? Ill be giving it a complete skip. XP was intrusive and constraning enough for my taste. Im currently migrating to mac and linux, something which i see more and more of the tech people who went for longhorn/vista training and were involved in beta testing are doing.

Maybe there is a way around this.

1. Install vista
2. Make an image

so if you need to re-install, the activation and hardware id are the same, and it dosn't know its a new install?

[Trixter]

nope Microsoft thought of that. microsoft currently uses images to install vista so it counts that as a reinstall. its actually one of the Mass Preinstalling techniques they teach you.

BTW i asked the same Question in the training and the instructor didn't know the answer :P he had to ask someone else. lol

[Zenax]

What about backing up to a spare hard drive, so u got a pre-installed OS allready, then any files that break or what not can just be copied from the back-up? in theory, that should work, as the same hard ware is there, so it shud just stay the same?

[SEÑOR]

I use vista Home APremium. No problems runs smooth, I love it!

[bigguy]

I just got a new laptop that runs Vista home premium with these specs:

1.7 gb intel processor
512 mb ram
80 gb hard drive
intel graphics

It runs smooth. Not one problem so far. Equiflux, maybe the hardware in your new system was not preforming well. I have been running Vista since it was called Longhorn and the only problem I have ever had to this day is software compatability. I think your system wasn't built right. You should never IMHO buy a pre-built system, always build it yourself.

[Livewire]

Not to be...blunt, but there _are_ alternatives to side-stepping vista's security. I mean, it can't be that secure when I've got around twenty separate sources to choose from, each with activation hacks and what-not. But I'm with Trixter regardless; I'm not upgrading until some game comes out that I must absolutely have and would sacrifice my first born for, and that game must require Vista to run. And since I don't have a first born, it's going to be mighty hard to sacrifice them for a game, isn't it? (I wouldn't really do it, but until theres a game that requires Vista that I feel the need to play, I won't be buying it, nor will I be obtaining it through one of the twenty previously mentioned sources). I'm quite happy with a triple boot here (Suse Linux, XP, 98se). I see no reason to mess with a fourth OS that's still in its infancy, especially when XP isn't really all that old when you look at it.

[Trixter]

i know of only one way of "sidesteping" Vistas activation security. Its tool Microsoft sent to registered preinstallers who were involved with the Longhorn beta program when RC2 of Vista came out. How it worked was to reset both of Vistas install and time counters.

They quickly discontinued distrobution however when some of the first sidestep programs came out as it looked and worked very similer. LOL

I dont know if it workes on Vista boxset But Ill try that out. Ill let you know the outcome when Im done ;)

Edit: BTW@Geoff if your running any premium version on less then 1GB of ram then your just using the BASE system. if you try activating some of the cool *NEW* features like AERO, memory control, True Drive search, ect.. youll see your laptop start acting like a sluggish sloth... or it might just error out.

[Brandon]

Edit: BTW@Geoff if your running any premium version on less then 1GB of ram then your just using the BASE system. if you try activating some of the cool *NEW* features like AERO, memory control, True Drive search, ect.. youll see your laptop start acting like a sluggish sloth... or it might just error out.

I was running Areo with Home Premium for a bit and I have 512 MB of RAM, wasn't sluggish at all, but i still like XP MCE Better so;)

[SEÑOR]

How can you not like the Aero theme. Its sweet if you ask me, and the mixing of colors and stuff.